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jprasmus Ames, IA
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| 02/28/2007 3:57 PM |
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| I'm planning on getting a new gun in the next week or so. I mostly pheasant hunt and was pretty set on getting a Benelli Cordoba. My friends are trying to get me into duck and goose hunting(this is also why I am planning on getting a PL for my next bird dog instead of an english setter). They insist it is crucial to be able to shoot 3 1/2's for geese. The guy at the outdoor store said 3 inches is plenty. Just wondering what some of you guys think? |
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jerrogers37 Independence, MO
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| 02/28/2007 4:41 PM |
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| I have a good 'ol Nova Pump. It shoots 3 1/2. I've killed geese with both 3 1/2 and 3's. I guess its just preference. I feel more confident with 3 1/2's in. The first time I hunted with my nova, I went pheasant hunting. Big mistake. My arms were so sore because the gun is so heavy. If you are getting a gun to do both, I would go with more of a multipurpose gun that shoots 3's but is lighter to carry. That's my opinion for what its worth. |
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keskam Pierce, Colorado
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| 02/28/2007 4:50 PM |
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I have a browning o/u and a weatherby o/u and a benelli blackhawk super eagle, I would never take the benelli pheasant hunting, but have killed more geese with my o/u' s and no. 2 shot then I ever will with the benelli, I think the bennellis are overrated!! The o/u are balanced and light weight so you can walk for miles with them, the bennelli is kinda like a cannon , and you do not need a cannon to kill geese!!! |
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Liv2Hnt Overland Park, KS
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| 02/28/2007 5:17 PM |
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I disagree entirely that the benellis are overrated. I shoot alot of sporitng clays with my beretta o/us, but for a general hunting gun I dont think you can beat the benellis. They always work, are impervious to the elements, are super fast pointing and light. The cordoba is basically an all black version of their sporting gun, and has the new longer choke tubes. I shot one of the super sport sporting clays versions before shifting to a beretta for that game. The only reason I switched was for the increased versatility needed with two chokes for alot of the presentations the tournaments were throwing. The cordoba would work for all of your hunting needs as I believe it shoots 3" shells. I think it or the M190 would serve you better than the SBE. I wouldn't worry about 3.5" shells, even for geeses, especially if you shoot them over the decoys. In my opinion it's alot more shell than you need. The Im not a benelli rep, but I couldn't say enough good things about them, especially if you plan on doing any waterfowl hunting. I have shot an M190 for years and I really abuse my waterfowl guns and it just keeps on going. If you are going to do mostly upland with a little waterfowl, you might want to check out the Montefeltro. I have one in 20 gauge and it is super light, has a low rib and is an upland machine. Of the M190, montefeltro and cordoba, I dont think you could go wrong with any of these, Id try them out and see what one you like best. One other thing is the benellis come with shims so you can fit the gun to you using a pattern board and get a custom fit. When you have them shooting where you look, there is no one else to blame but yourself. To not sound too biased for their products, their one issue is a little more felt recoil than the gas operated automatics. I've found that the Limbsaver aftermarket recoil pads help this alot. The benelli website is www.benelliusa.com if you are looking to do some research on the models. Good luck with your decision, but once you get hooked on the Inertia Driven guns youll want more. |
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Rob G Cedaredge, CO
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| 02/28/2007 5:25 PM |
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You can't go wrong with any Benelli semi-auto, in my opinion. I am a huge fan of their inertia recoil system and I tell my friends over and over that I think it's the best shotgun ever made.
I have a SBII and my wife has a Montefeltro 20ga. The 20 has the lightest kick I've ever felt and my SBII has never failed to cycle. I've shot everything from the lightest target loads to heavy field loads and the gun is foolproof. Not cheap either, but you definitely get what you pay for.
The SBII is too heavy for the uplands though (for me at least). For upland, I prefer my Rizini 20 ga. (6 pounds).
I've never shot the Cordoba, but I've seen in on the Benelli website. In my experience, all of their semi-autos shoot very well. The different models just seem to suite different people's tastes.
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bsmiley Fishers Indiana
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| 02/28/2007 6:46 PM |
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My advice would be to avoid buying a "generalist" gun that forces you to make compromises. If you are like most people, you will simply end up replacing that "compromise" gun down the road with something that really fits what you need. I have several guns in my safe that were purchased to go between upland and waterfowl and probably could have saved myself some money by just holding off and buying two specialty guns.
My end result: Benelli SBEII for waterfowl and a Franchi AL48 20g for upland. SBE adjusted to "fit" the same as the Franchi.
The SBE is not a heavy shotgun per se and I have carried it in the Upland field, especially in nasty weather because it is so durable. I would not want to carry it for 5 days on an early season upland hunt. However, the 20g is at least a full pound lighter. You can get the 1oz load of 6's at 1400fps - kills long tailed birds at any angle in my reasonable shooting range. Pick what you really want your upland gun to be or what you really want your waterfowl gun to be and make the investment in what you want.
3.5" loads make some difference at distance when shooting steel. They also pack more punch with late season geese (using steel). With heavy shot or similar, 3" loads are just fine, better than 3.5 steel. I dont take shots at geese that are long enough for a 3.5 heavy shot to make a big difference. Heavy shot is more expensive but I seem to be able to pick up a bunch about this time of year on clearence for less than half price. |
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stuw North Central Minnesota
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| 02/28/2007 7:20 PM |
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I have a Cordoba..and couldnt be happier...its a very light gun with zero kick, and extremely well balanced...I bought the 3"...because I dont goose hunt...but it has killed 3 geese so far (and they werent in the decoys)...works great on ducks and pheasants...I can carry it all day and never get tired..
I was hunting in So Dakota this fall...and let 4 members of our hunting party use it during differnt times of the day...they have all gone out and bought one...
If you shoot sporting clays...or trap...its a amazing...50 or 100 rounds thru it...and your shoulder feels like the second you got out of your truck..plus You dont need a tool to change chokes....
Best thing about the gun is even if you dont clean it (which I am guilty of)...it keeps on working...only negetive I've ever had with it is low base shells sometimes hang up...
I like it so much...I sold my Weatherby O/U and a couple of other shotguns I had...only other shotgun I kept was my 870 Wingmaster..and a 28 ga side by side Ego
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killerloop MinneSNOWta
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| 02/28/2007 8:49 PM |
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| I hunt a lot of geese, ducks and pheasants not to mention turkey. I shoot a browning 10 ga, SBE II... I would never in my life shoot a o/u in SW Minnesota for pheasants, due to the fact you only have 2 shells. I like the option of triples, and once in a while quads.. Hunting geese in decoys you can kill them with 4's but who can argue a 3.5 pattern 10 ga or 12 3.5
Turkey I use the 10er just because I don't have to carry far, just sit... Late season goose hunting a 10 is nice also, better pattern with 10 3.5 then 12 3.5
Never shot a cordoba, but I did shoot a Benelli Ultra last year, lightest gun I've ever shouldered only shoots 3" but thats more then enough for the ditch parrots (((DEKE)))..
So all in all I would lean towards not trying to purchase a multi purpose gun but buy a gun for each specific season. But if there a money factor I would buy a SBE II....... Before you get to excited about goose hunting (have you ever ate one)??? lol fun to shoot, but the famous cliche in our hunting party is (NICE SHOT PARTNER)... <<< get the picture!
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| 03/01/2007 1:59 PM |
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It can be hard to find that "one" gun to do all the things that one might end up doing in the shooting sports and dog games and hunting. I have a Super Black Eagle 3 1/2" and have taken pheasants, ducks, geese, and turkey. But when I got into skeet and sporting clays games my gun became unreliable with super light loads. So I purchased a Browning O/U and because of it's choke tube versatility I started using it for pheasants and competing in NBDCA events along with clays games. If I had bought it in a camo version it would be in my duck and goose blind as well....shooting 3" Tungsten Matrix loads or Hevi-shot!
This may not be for everyone but if it came down to playing all the outdoor games this is what I'd have.
Sorry I got off on the wrong track...If I had to pick between the Cordoba or SBE II....I personally would take the Cordoba as I only shoot 3" through my SBE anyway., even for Turkey as the 3" patterns better at long range out of my gun. Have also killed lots of geese with 3 inchers.
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camelcluch Parker, Co
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| 03/01/2007 10:46 PM |
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| Let me end this thread. Both guns are great, we all know that. The absolute best gun for the job, the Beretta Xtrema 2. That's it, that's all I have. ;-) |
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jprasmus Ames, IA
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| 03/04/2007 4:39 PM |
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| One last question, I was talking to a guy the other day and he said you would never want to hunt geese with a ported gun. Any one know why that is? |
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killerloop MinneSNOWta
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| Ported is for disapating heat and also reduces some recoil,, maybe he said that because I don't think your supposed to shoot steel through ported chokes!!! |
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Liv2Hnt Overland Park, KS
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| 03/30/2007 12:50 PM |
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| There is no problem shooting steel through ported chokes as long as they are rated for steel which the benellis are except the tight ones. Steel patterns one choke tigher than lead through the same choke, so an ic for led is like a mod with steel. Porting simply serves to slow down the wad to keep it from running into the back of the pattern and opening it up more. The one drawback for a ported gun with waterfowl hunting is the added noise. If you hunt in box or pit blinds, the added noise can get old. In addition, the porting on the cordoba is on the barrell and not the chokes. Still serves to slow the wad and also cut down on barrell climb for the second shot. There is certainly additional noise and pressure with any porting and some people can get headaches from the additional pressure caused by them. This is more likely to happen in a sporting clays or trap situation than hunting but your hunting party might not appreciate the added noise. |
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