November 20, 2008  
Account Login Minimize


   

  

Announcements Minimize
New Directors for 2009-2010 - Friday, November 14, 2008
Election ballots for the 3 open directors for 2009 through 2010 have been counted. Congratulations to Bruce Smiley, Troy Callanan, and Vic Rompa as our new directors. Everyone give then a warm welcome for volunteering their time.  
APLA GEAR - Sunday, October 26, 2008
The APLA GEAR tab is once again active. Thanks to Doug Powell for finding us a new vendor. Check it out!   read more...
     

Hunt Test Information Minimize
Fall 2008 Larkspur, Colorado hunt test information
Premium and Entry Form Now Available   read more...
Fall 2008 Decorah, Iowa hunt test information
Premium and Entry Form Available Now   read more...
Fall 2008 Williamston, Michigan hunt test information
Premium and Entry Form available now!   read more...
Fall 2008 Rileyville, Pennsylvania hunt test info
Premium and Entry Form available now!   read more...
Fall 2008 Monroe, Washington hunt test information
Premium and Entry Form available now!   read more...
Fall 2008 Girard, Kansas hunt test information
Premium and Entry Form Available Now   read more...
Fall 2008 Afton, Iowa hunt test infromation
Premium and Entry Form Now Available   read more...
     

  You are here:  Forum
Larry Kimble

Pointing Lab Forums Minimize
Subject: Who thinks they can figure this one out?
Please Register to post to the American Pointing Labrador Association Forums
Author Messages
tigermtsirius
Stockholm, NJ

Certified
Certified

Online Status:User is Offline
Posts:9

12/04/2006 2:26 PM Alert 
Here is an interesting training scenario for you, let's see who can figure it out:
 
Dog was bold on birds.  GREAT upland hunter and pointer.  Range was a little far but solid pointer so not too much of a concern.
 
First season training for retrieving, I blew through started hunt test levels.  He was always one of the top dogs at the hunt test, and got extra marks for delivery to hand, pushing through heavy cover, and was just crazy about birds.
 
However then when I started teaching handling I had trouble building the dog's confidence.  Lining the dog at any distance was a challenge, and when doing the "T" drill involving any distance from dog to handler was always a problem.  I used white buckets and flags which seemed to help.
 
I had been told by professionals watching us two separate opinions:  First was a sheer lack of confidence in the dog which would develop with repetition.  Second from those seeing how much time training I was putting in, that I had an obedience problem with the dog.  At a distance he would blow me off and use his nose to hunt.  When I put pressure on him he would freeze up and refuse to move until I moved up closer to him to handle him.
 
Anybody figure it out yet ??????????????????
 
Then I tried teaching doubles.  First I started schooling out singles, then would re-run as a double.  This went fine.  Then I tried easy doubles.  At first he would simply forget a second mark had landed, after retrieving the first.  In time he didn't forget but would either give me "no goes" or would insist on going to the "old fall", and I would have the bird boys help. 
 
Figure it out yet ??????  (don't worry I didn't)
 
Then I said, ok, NO MORE SINGLE MARKS for this dog.  Everything was a double.  I could NOT handle the second bird because of my handling problem.  So I would do one mark REALLY close (like a breaker bird) and the next further.  I would school the further marks using the breaker bird as a double and then in the end eliminate the breaker bird and do a double of the two far marks (on the already schooled distance marks). 
 
It became obvious to me that the only doubles he could do were if the "memory" bird was wide out in the open, or if the memory bird was right on top of us.
 
Now I bet I have some people figuring this out now !!!!!!!!!!
 
So then I happen to take the dog for a CERF eye exam which he passed, no genetic defects ...... but I found out the dog had severe scaring in both eyes from a previous illness when he was young. He is not blind, but is severely visually impaired.
 
This amazing smart, really birdie dog had been doing singles for most of his life by seeing some movement, listening for fall to get to the area and then scent to get the bird.  That is why he could not handle, he couldn't SEE ME.
 
How could I have been so blind to not see this !!!!!!!!!!!!  If dog's had hands he would have put the e-collar on me for pressuring him and not reading his body language that he was trying to please me and I could not be pleased.  So loyal and devoted these dogs are to usa smart trainer will learn from the stories they tell us with their body language.

ALWAYS trust your bird dog!!!
wags
OTTUMWA IA

Certified
Certified
Online Status:User is Offline
Posts:25

12/04/2006 5:59 PM Alert 
I WAS PRETTY SURE THAT THE DOG HAD BAD EYES I HAD A DALMATION THAT COULD SEE OUT TO ABOUT 25 YARDS.
Doc_E
N.E. WA state

Grand Master
Grand Master

Online Status:User is Offline
Posts:1023

12/04/2006 7:08 PM Alert 
In a case like this, I would go to "Gee - Haw".
Let the dog know verbally which way it needs to go.
I'm definitely going to train Gee - Haw to my next dog.....Even if they have good vision, there are still situations where they can't see ya, and Gee - Haw would be just right..



.



.

Doc E and Cujo Casey boy.
tigermtsirius
Stockholm, NJ

Certified
Certified

Online Status:User is Offline
Posts:9

12/05/2006 8:16 AM Alert 
Gee Haw is "hick" for what? Gee=my right? Haw=my left?

ALWAYS trust your bird dog!!!
Please Register to post to the American Pointing Labrador Association Forums
Forums > American Pointing Labrador Association > Training > Who thinks they can figure this one out?


     

Home|Events|Test Rules|News|Breeders|Trainers|Forum|Classifieds|APLA GEAR|Contact Us|Join APLA|Dogs
Copyright 2005 by American Pointing Labrador Association Terms Of Use Privacy Statement