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| 01/13/2006 6:39 AM |
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| How about some tips on what I should be doing (training) with my pup to get ready for the CPR test....my pup is gone till the end of feb (at a pro trainers learning cc and ff...and getting rid of some bad habits I either I taught her or just let her get away with..... snow doesnt melt till first part of april around here....and the test is end of may....so I'll have a couple of months to really work with her.... |
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| 01/13/2006 7:36 AM |
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Stu, I thought this deserved its own thread. I split it off from the other thread and renamed the other thread "Handling a dog during a CPR Test" since that is where the discussion went.
Hope thats ok, That way folks can find the info easier.
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| 01/13/2006 8:05 AM |
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| Sounds good to me Joe....thanks for the interest |
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| 01/13/2006 8:19 AM |
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Work with your pup to make sure they don't shake and drop a bird when exiting the water. You'd be surprised (well, maybe not) how many times this becomes an issue in entry level tests. Just because the dog has been FF doesn't mean they will no longer drop a bird.  |
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| 01/15/2006 5:43 AM |
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thanks Jim....I will work on that.....
I just thought of something.....I never froze any whole ducks to use for training purposes this spring....and I wonder how hard it is going to be to try buy some...can I substitute another species of bird for water retrieves???? or is that going to confuse the heck out of my pup???? |
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| 01/16/2006 6:16 AM |
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Stu, make sure your dog sees ducks in the water in a variety of circumstances prior to the test. I am sure David will do that when there is swimmable water up his way. If your dog can hunt a field, find the birds, point them and bring them back when shot, you'll be fine. Two retrieves of dead ducks in water in which you can see a splash is very achievable. Don't intimidate your dog ever, allow her to actually hunt and point and then try and have some fun. You as the handler choose how you hunt the field, how you approach it, who flushes, what birds get shot - everything. It should be like another day of training only all you have to do is manage the dog.
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| 01/16/2006 1:19 PM |
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Stu,
Check out Typo Lake Kennels, they have a @#$@%-load of ducks. They are in Stacy, MN. www{dot}typolakekennels{dot}com
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| 01/16/2006 2:48 PM |
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Jason....thanks for the tip.....I saved the website to favorites....and will give them a call....
Julie...thanks for the little ego boost.....I'm pretty nervous about all this....but I honestly think I can do it..With David training her...and all the great info and help I get from the pl comunity...my pup will do just fine....its the handler I'm worried about... |
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| 01/16/2006 4:22 PM |
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Stu, Make sure you have regular sessions where you simulate test conditions. Work at approaching, sitting your dog in and leaving a holding blind. Then expose your dog to the idea of walking to the line where people are acting like judges. Work on "here" and "sit" with distractions and get your dog use to putting the leash on and off at the line.
And most of all learn how to relax, have fun and breath.
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| 01/16/2006 5:51 PM |
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Jim....your a genius...I would have never thought of that....I'm way too busy thinking about scent cones.....pointing...5 secs....is it a real point...will she be distracted by the crowd..and go visit...(which I did see one dog do)..
what kind of birds to use....who flushes the bird etc...
You and Julie hit it right on the head....Ive seen a CPR test...I need to train for everything I saw...even the little stuff....
keep throwing idea's my way...I really need any and all help I can get...
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| 01/16/2006 6:43 PM |
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Stu, Let me share with you how I became a semi-genius. Taffey and I ran our first hunt test, too soon. I was dragged to the first holding blind, but we managed to somehow stay in that one.
The guns and wingers were much closer to the second holding blind. Taffey decided that she could probably see more if she just peeked under the holding blind. She was right. The next thing I know, the blind gets ripped right out of the ground and I'm standing there with a very determined pup lunging toward the line while I'm trying to put a holding blind back in the ground with one arm. Of course, I just know there are a least 5,000 people standing there laughing at the whole situation. 
Well, we did finally get to the line......Taffey was first.  I'm sweating bullets, not breathing very well and everything around me is a blur. I think we had judges, but I don't recall much about them. With some very shakey hands and with much apprehension, I slipped the leash of the "wild child". She sat there like nothing happened, marked her two singles and walked calmly back to the truck like that was no big deal.
When I started breathing again, that's when I became a semi-genius and realized my training needed a "new suit". The definition of a semi-genius is someone who isn't a genius, but learns from his mistakes. |
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| 01/16/2006 7:17 PM |
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Stu,
I learned the hard way at my first test. Make sure your dog has been exposed to decoys. You don't want her bringing a decoy back instead of a duck.
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| 01/16/2006 8:11 PM |
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Jim....I'm sitting here chuckling my head off....I have the full visual going on in my head....I'm not sure rather to laugh out loud....or have another thing to worry about..
Maybe we should start another thread....called hunt test bloopers.....Ed could add his about his dog retrieving decoys...
Ed...hopefully that wont happen to me....my pup was exposed to alot of decoys this fall......she never even seems to notice them....but thanks for the tip.... |
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| 01/17/2006 6:36 PM |
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Stu,
I have to share my first hunt test with you as well, it was a nightmare, but is funny to reflect upon.
Starting off, I was extremely nervous and working on only 3 hours of
sleep. On my way to the test, I got lost for 1 1/2 hours and missed all
of the judges instructions and demonstrations. I freak out when
I'm late and I was a mess when I finally arrived. Getting off to a bad
start, it only got worse when I realized that I forgot my lead. In a
pinch, I made a lead out of some very thin rope that was in the back of
my truck. this home-made lead would prove to be very rough on the
hands, especially since Zeke at the time was an out of control
fireball, a real "wild child", a dog who loves his job. They had 4
holding blinds, and Zeke got wired listening to all the gun shots, he
knew what was about to happen. while in the last holding blind,
somehow, zeke backed up and released himself from my lead, something
that has only happened once in my lifetime. all I remember was Zeke
running to the line while my new friend was running her dog, thinking,
we will be banned from all future events for the rest of my life.
Somehow, I caught Zeke at the line and then was reprimanded nicely from
the judges, and how we weren't thrown out is well beyond me! Once the
test started we did fine, but gettting there was a real
adventure.
Remember one thing, your dog picks up on your energy and emotions, so
stay caml, cool, and collective and have fun! You get to meet people
like Kwick & Ed and thier dogs, and you will be hooked. You will
find the APLA gang to be fun and supportive and I am sure that David
will get you and Ellie ready to go.
Hopefully, Zeke and I will see you there.
Ed, are you and Cinna running for the "big test"? Zeke and I are ready or at least we think that we are, hope to see you there!
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| 01/18/2006 5:45 AM |
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Zeke...are you going to Iowa???
thats one thing I'm really looking forward too....is finally getting to meet some of the folks from the forum...and their dogs of course... |
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| 01/18/2006 7:19 AM |
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YES, I will be going to both Iowa and the newly posted Roberts, IL test in April. I look forward to meeting you and seeing your dog. Zeke and I will be running for our MPR, nervous, very nervous, but the Zekester is ready and there is not time like the present, so we'll see you there.
When you go, check out the upper level tests, it will show you what to expect at the next level and the common mistakes that both handlers and dogs will make at this level. It has really helped us in our training and preparation.
I may also roadtrip to Minnesota to see your trainer and his infamous PL.
Look forward to meeting you in person and seeing your pup!
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Zeke...
If your going to see Jake...make sure David brings Phoenix out......that dog will blow you away.....
Looking forward to meeting you and your dawg....I hope to have a chance to see the APR Tests....but If Im handling my own pup...will I have time to sneek off to watch the APR test?? |
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| 01/19/2006 9:43 AM |
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Stu,
Depending on the layout of the different tests, but usually it is
possible to see different tests with a little drive to that area.
Especially if you run near the beginning of the test.
Just be prepared to hooked!
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| 01/19/2006 11:00 AM |
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Another beginner mistake/s, keep the whistle in your mouth and worry about the dog, not the judges. As soon as your dog starts to chase after a missed bird you had better start whistling. Another is the rule that you have to hand the duck to the judge, don't throw it at them. My bad. 
There's a test in Roberts? I may have to go to that one as well.
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| 01/19/2006 11:54 AM |
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1-In the upland test,YOU decide how to hunt the field. The judges will set the test up in the morning, if you don't run until almost noon, sometimes conditions can change, most often the wind direction. If it is advantageous for you to start at the other end of the field, then tell the judges you would like to start at the other end, leave your dog on lead and walk around outside of designated area. When you get to the point where you want to start, take the lead off, put the lead in your back pocket, and start your hunt test.
2-Have a water bottle with you. Heat can be dangerous, and sometimes stopping for one minute and giving your dog a quick drink helps the dog to refocus on finding birds. It will also help you to think about how you want to finsh covering all the territory that the birds may be holding at. It's also good to have in case you pass out, and the judges have to pour some water on you to wake you up!!
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