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KwickLabs
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03/14/2006 9:27 PM Alert 
Today was windy so Daisy was only out for a short training session. First we worked on getting sit more solid as bumpers were thrown close over her head. This was in preparation for a two bumper three handed casting drill we'll be doing shortly. 

The second thing we worked on was an introduction to a No/No Drill. This involves the use of a jump which the pup must travel over (out and back) as they retrieve.  The usually tendency is to flare the jump on the way back. When they do that you simple say "no/here" and take them back to the other side and using atttrition, teach them to take a straight line.  After they get the idea, the jump is placed at much greater distances and they learn to drive through and over obstacles which would normally be flared (cheating). 

The last two times I placed a mallard on the other side and took some quick videos with my camera.  Here's one frame lifted from the video.  Daisy just turned nine months old and has a very nice mouth for ducks. 






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03/15/2006 6:03 PM Alert 
Thought there was a photo, but since there appeared to be none I put a new one in from today.

Here's one of her picking up a duck on a different retrieve. 






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03/15/2006 6:47 PM Alert 
 Kwick- In Every pic i see of that pooch she is off the ground !
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03/15/2006 9:41 PM Alert 

Daisy is a fine looking dog Kwick!

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03/16/2006 9:23 PM Alert 
Kwick,

Understanding the value of incremental distance training in dog work is a much overlooked training method. The placement of Daisy's jump at a close distance is a sure fire way of getting her to learn and understand what is expected during this phase of her training. At close range you can more effectively control, correct and thus produce a desired outcome. As Daisy will no doubt become more and more proficient at the no/no drill, I have a few questions. At what distance are you starting out? When do you make the decision to place the jump at the next increment and at what distance will you make the placement? Also, how many additional incremental distance placements do you plan on making and how far will each one be advanced ? What will be the farthest most jump placement you hope to achieve before you call this phase of your training complete.?

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03/19/2006 5:36 PM Alert 
Understanding the value of incremental distance training in dog work is a much overlooked training method. The placement of Daisy's jump at a close distance is a sure fire way of getting her to learn and understand what is expected during this phase of her training. At close range you can more effectively control, correct and thus produce a desired outcome. As Daisy will no doubt become more and more proficient at the no/no drill, I have a few questions. At what distance are you starting out? When do you make the decision to place the jump at the next increment and at what distance will you make the placement? Also, how many additional incremental distance placements do you plan on making and how far will each one be advanced ? What will be the farthest most jump placement you hope to achieve before you call this phase of your training complete.?

Sorry for the delay in answering. We had two tower shoots on Friday and two more today (Sunday).

The first run using the jump is with her fetching a bumper tossed not much more than ten yards on the other side. The close distance is for the reasons you mentioned - control and ease of teaching.

We have already established a three legged pattern out to about 75 yards. So when the weather breaks soon (next few days), I will place the jump in one of the legs and gradually move it out to at least 60 yards. Over a periond of a week running the pattern maybe every other day, the jump will be moved 15 or 20 yards at a time.

The next stage of its use will be when we increase the pattern to 100 yards and start incorporating diversion marks in the three-legged patten. The jump will not always be in the same leg and distances will vary. That pretty much ends the use of the jump unless later (for a quick check) I slip it into a regular pattern blind. Usually, the first long pattern blinds are in a soccer complex (no factors) where Daisy wil be stretched to at least 300 yards.

We will not let the skill wither because now we can look for these situations in marking set-ups and use natural obstacles like logs, small puddles, corners of cover, low hedgerows and the list goes on.

Jim Boyer www.kwicklabs.com
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05/04/2006 11:40 PM Alert 
Old thread, I know...

Kwick, how tall did you make this?

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05/05/2006 9:41 AM Alert 
I didn't measure it.   

I used the "this first cut looks OK to me" method, but you asked so.......found it "stored" in the garage........the height is 16".  

Jim Boyer www.kwicklabs.com
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