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| 03/08/2006 4:06 PM |
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I've begun reading a much as possible,and believe I'm getting some good info, but seems to be a bit overwhelming. I keep reading, and it seems that you really need to go at your dogs pace in which it has asorbed it's experiences. BUT, I don't know or think I will find what I thought I'd find by reading.
Confusing myself!! lol
Is there a GENERAL outline or guideline thats spells out an order in which steps should be taken? and or a timeline in which THE GENERAL OR AVERAGE pup shoud be at?
I looks like to me that there are endless books and just as many different opinions and tactics in training. I think what I want to do is get the pup off to the best start I can myself then send it to college. or in my case it may need high scholl or ged b4 I even do that.
All in all, I just want to start out right, and not back track and confuse the pup.
Again, is there a scheduled step book or something in that order?
I don't think I'm inclined to combine tactics due to the fact I don't know the order in which the correct method should be! (Clear as mud)???
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| 03/08/2006 5:34 PM |
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I asked the same question back when I first got my pup....and got a variety of answers...mostly...like you said...you have to be able to "read" your pup....I was really confused at this...untill one day..while doing the "walk"....I could see the light bulb come on...everything about her changed...
I slowly started new things....watched how she reacted..and how she learned...never be afraid to go too slow...
Most folks will tell you that let the pup be a pup....and I agree 100%...It will tell you when its ready...
Not knowing the age of your pup.....the basics are do the "walk"...birds....birds....and more birds....I did nothing else with my pup till she was 5 months old...other than the obvious crate training..house breaking...not letting it be a terrorist around the house...
If your planning on sending your pup off to a trainer....contact them as soon as possible...let them help you develope a plan that will make training easier...what they want to see....and be able to do at a certain age...and how to go about getting your pup to that stage...
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| 03/08/2006 7:09 PM |
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Good advice from Stu.
Everyone stays away from "Timelines" because you are training the pup rather than a pro, even then each pup will be different. However, most trainers have a flowchart of the steps that they generally take. I say generally because they may change depending on what the owner wants out of the dog. These flowcharts are usually pretty vague, so as to compensate for different methods of acquiring the same goal within different dogs. They do however give us beginners a very good look at how things are done in a structured manner. Now each trainer may be different in his or her own flow, depending on their training thought and owners goal, but most are almost identical. I say this because, a PL will probably go down a different flow than just a straight HT dog. Saying that, I'm not for sure that GC has a flow chart, but you can find Lardy's at www.totalretrievertraining.com and Evan's at www.rushcreekpress.com .
Check'm out and see if that is what you were looking for.
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killerloop
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| 03/08/2006 7:47 PM |
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Wow, thanks Jay, Stuw your a fountain of info. Looked at both Lardy's seems a little easier to follow (kinda)
but now I'm going to have to get a **** book on terminlogy...
Man I feel like a ROCK.... Do you guys read the retriever journal? If so did you read the 2 steps forward one step back. Thought that was interesting.
And to answer you Stuw I don't even have my pup yet.. Just educating myself or trying to anyhow before I really get humbled..lol
I'm looking to get one in Fall/Winter, kind of a timing issue.
I appriciate all your guys input, I'm sure I will have many more questions b4 it's D-day.. This site is great for asking questions, I just try not to sound like a real piece of granite.
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| 03/08/2006 9:08 PM |
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Killer, take a look at the sticky'ed thread at the top of this training forum. You will find a link to a terminology dictionary.
It is titled "Glossary of Training Terms"
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| 03/09/2006 3:45 AM |
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Another place for training information...that seemed easier for me to understand and follow was www.dobbsdogs.com/library/retrievers
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| 03/09/2006 6:18 AM |
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One thing that me and a couple of other guys did (we are all first timers) when our dogs were in the 7 - 8 month old range is we found a local trainer that was willing to work with all three of us for 1/2 a day on a sunday. He went over nothing but basic OB but it helped all of us imensly. All three dogs went from being pretty hyper to being under control (on lead with some corrections) within the hour.
It was more training for us as handlers/trainers than it was training for the dogs. It helped so much having someone tell you do this not that or this isn't working try it this way. Our training sessions became much more productive after that. My confidence level as well as Scout's went up a ton after that.
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| 03/09/2006 7:34 AM |
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Basic OB is the foundation of your training. Making sure that what you are teaching the dog is done in a sequential manner. It is the most efficient way for your dog to learn. Maintaining balance in the lessons will produce a dog with a positive attitude that is always in a learning mode.
The important thing about OB is that it must be worked on regularly. It is usually the weakest area for an amateur. Design your program and lessons with a focus on sequential training and balance.  |
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| 03/09/2006 7:41 AM |
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Flow charts (showing a sequence of training) are great --- Timelines aren't.
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| 03/09/2006 10:24 AM |
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This would be an extremely ambitious program for someone with their first pup and assumes that they have the time, experience and training areas needed. What is stated at the end should not be take lightly.......pups vary significantly in ability and readiness. Also, the "how to do" is usually missing from "schedules". 
Anyone starting out with their first dog must come to grips with the fact that training takes time everyday. Having a well trained dog cannot be achieved with a few afterthoughts. There is no reason a couple of 15-20 minute blocks of time cannot be found each day, and these daily incremental efforts will produce a nice dog depending on your ability to meet the needs of your pup. Frankly, some days will require more time. 
Read the training schedule for Taffey, Kooly or Daisy on my Website and see the amount of time it takes to move a talented dog along. I'm retired and have the time. One of the main reasons behind my Website is to record just how much effort is required to train a finished dog. I've become more efficient in my daily training, but there is no question the training routine for every dog varys greatly and requires many months of regular work (not a few sessions a couple of times a week). However, the nice thing about training a dog is that it is not a race and there is no reason given enough time that a very well trained hunting dog cannot be achieved (if the potential was there to begin with). It depends on just how much you want out of your dog, realizing what it will take, accepting your situaltional constraints and then doing it.
I have taken on many wonderful "projects" in my life and starting out on any new one, it can be useful to be naive about how much work it will take. "I want one of the those and having one" is sometimes a world of difference. Take the time to develop a reasonable approach based on your specific time, resources and experience.......and firmly believe that the "single bite at a time mentality" will allow you to eat the entire elephant.  |
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| 03/20/2006 8:03 AM |
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Jim ,
Thanks for the info . Im glad Killer asked this question ,I have been wondering the same thing . All the reading and videos I have been injesting have shown progression but not a time line . They all say " each dog is different ".
I have been worried about how far im training a 14 week old pup , but Im hoping Im reading Pearl right when we train . She is doing great on OB and doing fun bumpers. She is enthusiastic and her confedence is growiing . Its very exciting to watch . We always leave training on a good note and she always want to do more . As i type this shes looking at me like " ok dad lets go " . So thanks again for the great info . |
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