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Fall Election for 3 Directors
There are three directors whose terms expire at the end of 2008. Those are Brice Romero, Stu Wange, and Joe Bubulka. It is unclear if any or all of them will run for re-election. We will have an election commencing in October. At this time the APLA is solicting for those members who wish to run for a 2 year term.
The requirements are to be a current member in good standing. You need to submit your nomination letter no later than September 20th. This letter needs to or should contain the following items.
*The office you are running for. Here it is director.
*Why you feel you would make a good director.
*Any goals or objectives for the APLA you would have if you were elected.
*Your length of membership with the APLA.
*Amount of and type of APLA officer or event experience as well as other dog organizations.
*Dog experience relative to titles attained, training, judging, hunting, etc.
*Your letter must contain your name, address, phone number, and email address.
*And lastly your letter must contain 10 current members who support your nomination and whose permission you have attained. List their addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses. (Double check this information for completeness and accuracy. Nine current members won't pass, it takes 10 members.)
The nomination letters need to be received not later than September 20th by Larry Kimble, 1112 Birdie Drive, Independence, KS 67301, 620-331-4066. No express over overnight mail requiring receipt signature. Also, email your letter to lkimble@cableone.net by the same date.
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Revised Certified Pointing Retriever Rules - Thursday, March 13, 2008
Effective with the spring hunt tests the Certified Pointing Retriever rules have been revised. The revisions are in red under the Rules tab and Certified Pointing Retriever. The changes are in two areas. The first area is "Scoring" where an individual category score of 1 1/2 or lower will result in failure. Also, the total score is changed from 18 to 21 points. The second area is the change and replacement of the last sentence under "Point".
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Holly Cart - new APLA secretary - Thursday, August 14, 2008
Due to Shawn Hoover's resignation as secretary, Holly Cart has accepted appointment to fulfill Shawn's term through 2009. This is per our by-laws. Holly was the runner up in the recent election to Shawn. Shawn will continue to be active in the APLA, but due to personal reasons he was not able to spend the necessary time that the secretary position requires
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August 2008 Newsletter available - Wednesday, August 13, 2008
The August 2008 is now available under the "NEWSLETTER" tab. The mailed out newsletter is coming to you now.
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Colorado Test update Motels - Friday, August 08, 2008
Do to the Democratic National Convention is in Denver that week.
The Hotel and Motel are our full or very high priced.
Here are some other options
Castle Pines Motel - 125 S. Wilcox St, Castle Rock, Colorado 303-688-9728
Castle Pines Motel - 807 Wilcox St, Castle Rock, Colorado 303-688-1207
Falcon Inn - Monument, Colorado 719-623-2863
Dale Merritt
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Online Hunt Test Registration System - Friday, August 8, 2008
MEMBERS STILL NEED TO MAIL YOUR ENTRIES TO THE HUNT TEST SECRETARIES!
On line entry of dogs by members is not yet available. This phase is for the hunt test record keeping only. This past Spring season, APLA successfully rolled out version 1.2 of our custom built Hunt Test Registration System (HTRS)! All Spring HT results are available on http://www.americanpointinglab.com/site/Dogs/tabid/108/Default.aspx.
In case you have not heard about our new system, HTRS is an online, password protected, application which will allow real time access to membership data as well as certification data. The following features and benefits were included in this release of the software.
* Membership information as well as certification information can be cross checked and updated in a prompt manner.
* Hunt Test Secretaries can easily enter test scores which will lead to quicker certificate generation.
* Improve the turn around time from Hunt Test Events to the results being posted online.
* New accounting reporting features:
> Ability to enter one payment to cover multiple entries.
> Refunds for scratch entries (if applicable).
> Create income summary report.
* Allow BOD Secretary to add/update memberships on line (mail-in only).
* Add bird count report enabling HT secretaries to keep track of birds.
* Enhanced Reports
> Alternate row shading for easier viewing.
> Input translation to ALL CAPs when HTS enters data all lower case or proper case so reports and HT Booklet looks uniform.
* Enhanced scoring for quicker certificate generation.
> Add owner name and address to score report.
* Enhanced judge's sheets program allows HT secretaries to print judge's sheets at once.
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Fall hunt test information updates
Check the website hunt test premiums for updates; like judges, times, etc.
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Fall 2008 Larkspur, Colorado hunt test information
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kbuc
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| 05/04/2008 7:05 AM |
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So what length check cords does everyone use, and why?
I see them ranging usually between 15 to 20 feet. Any pros or cons between the two?
Years back while traing my dog to sit on a blind retreive, I was taught to use a 50'+ cord. That way, you can adjust the distance from you.
I have a 100' section that I'm going to cut up into various lengths. What do you more experienced guys think would be good sizes? |
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| 05/06/2008 8:05 PM |
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| I dont know much about training but I would think more is better. You can always bunch it up to shortten it for different uses. |
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| 05/06/2008 8:24 PM |
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Kbuc, I am new to training and working on my first dog. I use a 30 foot rope. It works good for me.
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| 05/07/2008 6:34 AM |
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| I alos like a 30 ft CC , 50 ft is long for me, and I also like a really light CC small in diameter so the dog can work good in the field with it! |
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| 05/09/2008 12:21 PM |
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| Since I have the rope, I'll just do a 50, 30, and a 20 for good measure. That'll give me options. |
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| 06/03/2008 9:04 AM |
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| Some people don't use check cords.......... |
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| 06/03/2008 11:07 AM |
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| A 20ft. works fine for all of my yard work...any longer and I step all over it and constantly have to untangle it. |
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| 06/04/2008 10:38 AM |
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| 12ft, I guess for retriever drills a longer one might be necissary |
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| 06/04/2008 1:31 PM |
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I can think of two reasons  "why" people use them, but I would like to see someone explain the reasoning and end results.
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keskam
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| 06/04/2008 2:00 PM |
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 I use it to help steady the dog! once he is on point I pick the cord up and watch for a small backwards movement in the hind legs, when I se it I give alittle tug and the dog refocuses and holds point longer and longer without saying WHOA!! If Jake goes out 250 yards and goes on point, you are not going to hear me hollering WHOA! |
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Liv2Hnt
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| 06/04/2008 2:40 PM |
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| I cant even imagine how one would go about training a dog without a check chord, especially when they are young. Even at 2 years old, I occassionally throw the check chord and chain collar on my dog. Keeps them honest, even without the collar pressure, I can still put pressure on the dog for here sit, heel etc. To me a check chord is an essential tool in my non-pro dog training toolbox. In the upland, most of my experience came from pointing breeds, and again it was an essential steady on point and to help work steady to flush and shot. As an answer to your question on length, I use a 100' especially on a young dog to make sure you get a response to here every time, a 30' for back yard work and I have a couple of shorter tabs/leash length as well. Im not saying you cant train a dog for obediance and field work without one, but I really wouldnt want to try. |
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Rob G
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| 06/04/2008 3:40 PM |
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I can't imagine someone not using a check cord at all. About all of my yard work is performed with a check cord on the dog. How else can you maintain control at a distance anywhere further from your side? OB, FF, CC are all performed with a check cord on the dog.
When I'm working in the fields, I will put a check cord on a young dog (especially one that tends to blow off early OB), so that I can step on it when they decide to blow me off.
I don't use a check cord for a dog on point. Only to maintain control and OB.
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keskam
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| 06/04/2008 3:53 PM |
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Posted By VicR on 06/04/2008 1:31 PM I do not use check cords, I know others do. From the responses I see "what" people are using. I can think of two reasons "why" people use them, but I would like to see someone explain the reasoning and end results. Thanks!
1.remote sit. 2 here. 3 pile work. 4 steadying. 5 from FF through pile work they are on the Check cord! Kevin |
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VicR
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| 06/04/2008 5:36 PM |
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Thanks!
Well, come to think of it everyone, yes, I remember now. I do use a check cord during the younger years during training. It's just been a while. Just getting old I guess. 
But I remember correctly I haven't used them on upland.
The bird just flies away if they do not point. Might take longer and more birds but I like the "au natural" point I guess. No holding back. Go flush the bird if you desire, but no reward for you! The point comes out if they have it.
I do whoa training to re-inforce the time on point.
But, I'm not steadfast one way or another.
I'll have to research further. Have a new pup to train.
Where did the check cord concept originate?
Any cons to using the check cord while training in upland?
I'm assuming that would be answered by non-check cord trainers because all check cord users have already made a decision (in upland).
It would be really beneficial if some check cord users can tell me the pros and cons to doing so.
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| 06/04/2008 6:09 PM |
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| Vic, It is on the younger dogs in the upland, if they flush it it flies too! but when they go on point I pick it up and steady them and teach them that somebody will flush the bird(not them)then you will sit until I release you! I think it comes in real handy right there! not a whole lot of pressure to inforce steady to wing and shot! Kevin |
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Liv2Hnt
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| 06/04/2008 7:15 PM |
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| Yead Id reiterate what kevin says, the check chord has nothing to do with the point, which is still "au natural" just gives you some additional control on other ob issues. We worked all our setters on rope and you wont get any naysayers about their pointing ability. We also used cleats in the ground to maintain control on whoa and steady to flush. Im my opinion, both of these are trained and have nothing to do wtih the point in a dog. Im sure the pros of the group can expand. |
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Liv2Hnt
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| 06/04/2008 7:54 PM |
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| On a second note, Ive seen some dogs point and never even want to move a muscle, both my last pl and some setter we had. However, in my limited experience 10-12 dogs, Id say most need plenty of time on birds to learn manners on point. It is not your job to get the bird after you establish point. |
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VicR
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| 06/05/2008 4:16 PM |
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Can't you flush the bird without a check cord on a dog?
If they want to pick it up, why not let them try?
(If you have good flyer's they can't pick it up).
Steadiness to wing and shot is a little different I think. And I see it described here as a way to steady the dog on point, not to hold a dog back from chasing a bird after it flushes (which sounds logical). During training I see people holding back a dog that established a point from flushing the bird. So it does have to do with point, no? Not establishing the point, but holding it.
Isn't it better to let the dog learn he can't have the bird by letting it fly away rather than holding him back?
I'm not so sure the use is is more for OB issues versus the willingness to point and hold it naturally for "a while".
Maybe it is the degree of "pountiness" we are a talking about. I mean even other breeds of pointing dogs will eventually run in on a pointed bird if not trained properly.
I think eventually you need to re-inforce the hold on a point, whether it be a check cord or the whoa command.
But I see it being used on puppies/dogs under 6 months old that have hunted up less than 50 birds.
Do you recommend the use of a check cord on the first upland outing to steady a puppy if he happens to point?
No negatives whatsoever to using a check cord? At the very least it slows the dog down a little in the upland field.
Any published references to where you got the check cord training method for upland? I mean, where did this originate?
Please don't view this as an attack on your training methods. I am sure it works. I am just wondering what is "better".
Thanks for the info, it is very helpful.
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| 06/05/2008 5:26 PM |
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| Whats better is what works for you and the particular dog at the moment. We started out at 9 weeks of age taking the walk with a very light weight rope about 10 to 15' long tied to the collar so he would get used to it being there and maybe even associate it with fun stuff. Kept doing that till delivering to trainer at 7.5 mo old. Gave me a sense of comfort at least thinking it might help me catch the little bugger if I needed to! Couple times I did even walk up to him stepping on that rope the whole way while on point. This was especially helpful when the suposedly planted bird was actually walking around flippin' us both off. A young dog-heck any dog will sometimes only take so much of that! |
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| 06/05/2008 7:01 PM |
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| Vic, You can teach WHOA and when the dog is on point say whoa and freeze him, and there are other ways to, but I like to try and say nothing, therefore the use of the CC comes in handy for me! Like I said when we do real hunting and jake is way out on a bird on point I dont say anything! Just go up kick it up and send him for the retrieve! I try to do things the same way every time! The dog can count on it! Kevin |
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