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| 06/19/2007 11:33 AM |
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Does anyone know how to get in touch with Julie knutson? Also can you recommend trainers in texas or colorado/ok |
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| 06/19/2007 11:38 AM |
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Go to the Knutson website www.gunclub-labs.com and there is an email link there -- as well as phone numbers, mailing address.
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| 06/22/2007 4:12 AM |
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You can't go wrong with Julie, I really like her perspective on training and keeping the balance between retrieving and upland work. Her suggestions on the "time stands still drill" is really working on my boy
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| 07/03/2007 7:52 PM |
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Posted By Zeke on 06/22/2007 4:12 AM
You can't go wrong with Julie, I really like her perspective on training and keeping the balance between retrieving and upland work. Her suggestions on the "time stands still drill" is really working on my boy
Zeke.
Plus, she's cool.
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Looks like she has already got you trained!!
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| 07/04/2007 5:51 AM |
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WHere are you located? I can give you nothing but good reports on Paul & Julie. They have trained some of our dogs up to and including 4X GMPR and AKC MH. We have also had dogs running Deribies and Quals with them. I do not train to the upper levels, so I always want to use the best trainer. At this time it is Paul and Julie
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| 07/04/2007 10:15 AM |
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Look into Kansas, don't want to step on any toes, so if you would like more information email me at matt_stucky@hotmail.com
A cheaper option might be to have someone else train the dog, and then put it on Julie's truck when hunt tests start. That might be another option that would work out just as well.
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| 07/04/2007 1:14 PM |
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I have used Tom McCool for a couple of dogs and he worked wonders with a rescue Brittany that I first took him and has also done great work with my lab. He is in Tulsa.
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| 07/05/2007 7:47 AM |
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| I would not recommend the "have someone else train, then put them on Julie's truck" approach at all. You want a consistant training method all the way through. |
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| 07/05/2007 3:46 PM |
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| I've seen it done many times. Dogs switching trainers is not all that uncommon. |
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| 07/05/2007 8:24 PM |
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| You do realize that is how most field trial dogs are trained. Danny farmer didn't start with most his dogs. Lardy doesn't start his dogs, most pro's have young dog trainers. Many field trial pointers are trained by pros that don't travel and then put onto a traveling pros truck. Like leroy said, it's not uncommon. Dusty was owner trained and then put onto a truck. |
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| 07/06/2007 4:20 AM |
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I'm sure you could start with one trainer...than move to another...but my question would be why??? I personally would be talking to the trainer your interested in..and get their opinion first...
Im with Shawn, It would seem to me there would be less issues with staying with the trainer you originally started with..(transition times differnet training methods etc).unless of course you were not happy with them. |
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| 07/06/2007 4:29 AM |
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| One thing to keep in mind, as Shawn and Stu mentioned, is the learning curve for the dog. A dog trained from the beginning by one person will have a period of adjustment learning to communicate with another person and getting comfomfortable with living in a different place. I imagine that some dogs do this easily, and others have a hard time. If you are thinking that you will save money by starting with one trainer and then moving to a different one for testing, I would doubt it-the extra month(s) you will pay the new trainer to establish a working relationship with your dog, so they can do well at the tests you are paying the trainer to take your dog to, will more than likely use up or cost more than whatever savings you thought you would get. |
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| 07/06/2007 6:51 AM |
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| 07/06/2007 7:19 AM |
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| To each is own......many different approaches can work. |
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| 07/06/2007 7:31 AM |
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Then just leave the dog with the other trainer if a couple weeks worth of training money is going to be an issue.
The transition from trainer to trainer does take a little time, but you will save money in the long run to get a GMPR title. Here is the reason why most field trial dogs start somewhere else. If you take your young dog to a pro that is going to field trials and hunt tests every weekend, and is running 20 dogs, your young starter dog most likely isn't getting the attention needed. THerefore if that dog is started by a guy who stays at home and only has 10-15 dogs , and a good record; those dogs have a better chance of being worked. THis is just how the game works.
I have no idea what Julie and Pauls training methods are, or how they work dogs. My statements are in no way trying to point a finger directly at them. |
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| 07/06/2007 7:42 AM |
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And how many trainers out there can say they have titled more than a couple of GMPR's? More than 5? More than 10? 20?
GMPR is not easy any more. I watch more attempt this each season than most of the "experts" on this forum will ever see in a lifetime. Therefore, my previous suggestion is the best advice I can give. There are a few others out there who can get the job done, but the list is very very limited. |
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| 07/06/2007 8:12 AM |
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We are all able to give our own advice. So watching dogs pass/fail makes one an expert? I guess Im out then. Nothing wrong with that. If Jason Wallace was/is training dogs. I'd definitely consider him.
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| 07/06/2007 8:30 AM |
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| I should have said judged. In doing so I see which trainers dogs are performing, which have good attitudes, who has their tail tucked, which ones have it all together and which do not. I feel this gives me a pretty good position from which to base an opinion. |
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| 07/06/2007 8:47 AM |
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| Are you referring to marks/upland field or both? |
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| 07/06/2007 8:55 AM |
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Now I haven't ran in the GMPR, but I have trained many dogs that were getting their SH and MH titles. I also have broke out dogs that are dead broke around birds.
I have seen some half witted dogs make it through a SH test. I am sure it's not really easy, but it only takes money. It's not like field trials where only a really specific dog has what it takes.
How many of those failed attempts come from novice trainers trying to train their own dogs? |
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