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Author Messages Oldest First Newest First keskam Pierce, Colorado Master Online Status: Posts:986 08/27/2008 8:22 AM Alert  I have a friend who is running in APR in Colorado this weekend and asked if he could remote sit the dog in front of him and start the blind from there? Is this possible? I dont see anything in the rules were the dog has to be by your side. HR Rocky Mountain Rosco JH APR HR Lady Satin of Black Forest JH SHR Satin's Jumpin Jedi JH SHR Chelsea Snow Angel JH APR HR KB's Snakey Jake of Poudre River JH SHR KB's It's Showtime of Bearpoint (Star) SHR KB's Loaded To Go Allie KB's Black Diamond Tessa Rob G Cedaredge, CO Master Online Status: Posts:559 08/27/2008 9:31 AM Alert  Kevin, That's a good question for the handler's meeting. Even if you get an answer here, if you attend the handler's meeting bring it up there as well... Rob Home of: CPR Bearpoint's Top Gun "Maverick" PRG's Hunter's Lullaby "Cricket" CPR Sam's Jumpin Jack Flash "Jack" Iowa Hunter Iowa Certified Online Status: Posts:47 08/27/2008 10:46 AM Alert  I am not sure, if the dog is behind the line they may allow it. But why not just run the blind like usual? Is the dog not ready for that level of work? Good question, I have never seen it done that way, but maybe there is a reason. Good luck to him either way! KwickLabs Roscoe, IL Master Online Status: Posts:679 08/27/2008 11:10 AM Alert  Judging a blind starts out with noting the trainability of the dog in question. There is no question a judge is going to want to see the dog/handler relationship when lining up to run a blind. Secondly, one significant aspect in running a blind is the intial line. If the dog were sitting remotely, the handler is avoiding any judgement of the dog's "initial" line (from the line). In addition, there is no way for a judge to see if the dog will "go as sent" from the side of the handler. Is the handler avoiding a problem with "no goes"? It would certainly pose the question. I would be very surprised if any judge would allow a hander to deviate from the "norm". However, I have seen some field trials and hunt tests where a blind was run from a remote. To temper that, these dogs were running more than one blind and the "issue" of their skills at the side of the handler was observed (in another series where the dog ran from the handler's side). Jim Boyer www.kwicklabs.com Home of: MPR UH HRCH Kwick Taffey of Joemac's MH Kwick Kooly Dew It Allstar SH Kwick Daisy's Spirit Keeper SH Kwick Draw McGraw ("Dustbucket" II) ---------------------------------- "Excellence is Expected" keskam Pierce, Colorado Master Online Status: Posts:986 08/27/2008 11:16 AM Alert  Good thoughts Jim, This dog is an awesome dog just lacks some training and missed steps. HR Rocky Mountain Rosco JH APR HR Lady Satin of Black Forest JH SHR Satin's Jumpin Jedi JH SHR Chelsea Snow Angel JH APR HR KB's Snakey Jake of Poudre River JH SHR KB's It's Showtime of Bearpoint (Star) SHR KB's Loaded To Go Allie KB's Black Diamond Tessa Mojo Colorado Certified Online Status: Posts:48 08/28/2008 5:08 PM Alert  At the APR level, I would allow it. At that level, as a judge, I want to see if the dog will take casts, challenge minor factors and make progress to the blind. I personally place emphasis on the first and third factors. That being said, sitting your dog in front of you to start the blind does not allow you to allow your dog to start to get the "picture" of where he she is to go. Is that a disadvantage? The way my dogs are trained, yes. Yet many train in a "non-traditional" fashion and if they do, who cares? Can the dog get the job done? If so, I don't care if they start with what is, to me, a perceived disadvantage. I've seen some interesting ways of running dogs over my time doing this, with some strange cues that I did not understand, but the bottom line to me is that did the dog answer the question: "Did he/she do the work at the level required by the test?" Further, I do not see anything in the rules that would prevent a handler from running a blind this way. However, I am not judging the Advanced test. Best of luck this weekend. ~Moira Air Jodi, MH QAA Third Creeks Twisted Sister, QAA Hallelujah Toulouse's Jean (Pyr) Moriah's Rumor's Oopsy-Do (Dachshund) camelcluch Parker, Co Advanced Online Status: Posts:177 08/29/2008 9:59 AM Alert  Great question but it seems like that goes around the rules and does not show the true level of the dog. At APR the dog should show some abaility of being handled, no? CPR Black Forest's Zuberant Zoie oakwood Eastern South Dakota Certified Online Status: Posts:92 08/30/2008 3:23 PM Alert  I would think if ran well it would pass the blind but I as a judge would nip on trainabilty some. Good points Kwick! Brad Lhotak Home of PD Drake of Miss Jenna MNH QAA (Passed 07 and 08 master national) CK's Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds MH (Qualifying 3rd) 2x GMPR MPK's Dakota Diamond Boss Liz MH TDK's Little Ann's Makin Dust JH GMPR Quivern in the Mist JH (Misty) 2Blackdogs! Kansas City Area - GO CHIEFS !!! Grand Master Online Status: Posts:1257 08/31/2008 8:51 PM Alert  To the original post- NO-It was simply stated at the handlers meeting in CO.
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