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h4everything Blanchard, OK
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| 07/27/2008 1:15 PM |
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| Guys, I am hoping for some serious help here. I don't post much but I enjoy reading the information on here.
Let my GSP and Lab out this morning @ 5 AM and both dogs were fine. Got up at 6am to load them up for some field work and the lab didn't come running to the door. He finally showed up after a few minutes. He was very wobbly and looked very tired. got him inside and kept him layed down for a couple of hours.
I took him to the emergency vet and all blood work is normal and there is no sign of external trauma or anything. He is about 3 years old the vet diagnosed him with Fibrocartitagenous Emboli. He gave him a Steriod shot at the office and gave me a prescription of Prednisone and gave me cage rest instructions.
Vet said 50/50 prognosis. Anybody ever had any experience with this?
If anybody has any info on it Please contact me and if you want t call my cell is 405 830-8365.
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Alliesway Mid-Michigan
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| 07/27/2008 3:23 PM |
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Jason, I Googled Fibrocartitagenous and the first thing I found from Southern Calf. Veterinary Referral is posted below. If I come across more I will post, in the article I am reading the treatment for this needs to be within the first 24-48 hours. I think this is the same thing as what you listed.
Steve
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Spinal cord fibrocartilaginous embolization is caused by a small fragment of intervertebral disc material entering the spinal cord’s vascular system via the tissues attached to the intervertebral disc (see illustration below). Embolization is the sudden blocking of an artery by a clot of foreign material (an embolus). The tiny fragment of intervertebral disc material (embolus) results in varying degrees of damage depending on the portion of the cord supplied by the embolized blood vessel. Thus, the clinical signs are variable.
Fibrocartilaginous embolization of the spinal cord is the functional equivalent of a stroke to the spinal cord rather than to the brain. The events are acute, nonprogressive, and occur without any prior signs or warnings. Because emboli can occur in any portion of the cord, clinical signs can involve the rear limbs, all four limbs, one side of the body, or only one limb. The syndrome is not painful but can result in paralysis. After the initial spinal cord shock subsides, one side of the body frequently remains worse or is slower to show improvement.
![ΔK GIF] - Fibrocartiliginous Embolization Fig 1,2](http://petsurgery.com/fibroscartiliginousembolizationfig12.gif)
In general, if deep pain perception is intact to the paralyzed limb(s), recovery will begin in two to three weeks with most clinical function restored by four months. In most cases, once the diagnosis and degree of clinical damage is ascertained, an accurate prognosis can be made.
A tentative diagnosis of a fibrocartilaginous embolism is made based on history and neurologic examination. Radiographs (x-rays) are evaluated to ascertain the presence of degenerative discs and may outline other abnormalities in the spine including fractures and dislocations. A definitive diagnosis may require a myelogram (contrast dye study of the spine). Spinal cord swelling may be seen with a myelogram immediately after the embolus causes an infarction (a localized area of dead cells produced by occlusion of the arterial supply to that area) (see Fig. 3). If several days have passed since the onset of clinical signs, the myelogram will be normal. Other findings with a myelogram may include intervertebral disc extrusions, tumors, fractures, hematomas, or hemorrhage.

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Individuals experiencing an acute episode of fibrocartilaginous embolism are immediately treated once the diagnosis is confirmed. Intensive medical therapies are of value only during the first 24 to 48 hours after the spinal cord damage has occurred. Medications used include corticosteroids to relieve spinal cord swelling and to prevent collateral damage. Surgery is not indicated in the treatment of spinal cord infarction. After initial medical management, intensive nursing care and physical therapy are required. The goal is to maintain muscle tone while the spinal cord tissue heals.
The prognosis in cases of fibrocartilaginous embolization depends on many factors:
- The severity of neurologic dysfunction
- The amount of disc material that has embolized
- The degree of accompanying spinal cord swelling
- The location of the spinal cord infarction
- The overall physical condition of the patient
In general, the ability to perceive deep pain in the affected limb(s) and tail remain the major prognostic indicator. Even if paralysis is complete, the perception of deep pain remains the key to determining if permanent damage has occurred. This means that, even if paralysis has occurred, if the conscious perception of deep pain is intact a functional recovery is anticipated. The time required for recovery and the degree of neurologic improvement are quite variable. Diligent physical therapy and good nursing care are important for recovery. | |
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Alliesway Mid-Michigan
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| 07/27/2008 3:48 PM |
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I see now I got in a hurry and posted, I found the treatment on another search and it calls for steroids and that has already been done. Now the waiting thing.
Thoughts and prayers Jason,
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HRK's Liberator "Grady" of Cackling Acres I am not allowed to have fun at work, but you can bet I will running dogs!!! |
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Trout Bum Elbert County, CO
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| 07/28/2008 7:02 AM |
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My thoughts and prayers are with you Jason.
This is very serious, but there is a possibility he will recover and hunt again. Pi had Fibrocartilaginous Embolization that was caused by the twisting of her spine when she was a little over a year old. She was going full bore and made a 90 degree turn in loose soil, twisting her spine to the point of cutting off the spinal cord fluid. I watched it happen and thought she either blew out her knee or dislocated her hip. She screamed out in pain, like she’d been hit by a car and couldn’t get up without my help. Fortunately Pi’s was a partial only affecting only her left side. She had total paralysis of her left hind end with absolutely no feeling in her foot or motor functionality of her left leg. I got her to the vet immediately, steroid shot along with a morphine tube for pain.
It was brutal and really broke my heart watching her leg drag behind her while trying to get a drink or to relieve herself. I took a week off work and my wife the following week. After about 2 ½ weeks she started picking the leg up a little bit, by 3 ½ weeks using it even more. I kept her on a leash and took short daily walks, encouraging her to go and restraining her to help build the muscles and regain the nerve/memory loss. After 3 months of rehab on the leash, my wife told me, Pi’s over it you need to get over it and take her for a run. Turning her loose was difficult at first as I feared a reoccurrence because she goes at everything full bore. That was a little over 4 years and many, many hunts, points and retrieves ago………
She has some permanent nerve damage, but you would never know it in the field. Sometimes her foot will scuff the ground when she walks, she can’t scratch her ear on that side and when she gallops or lopes it’s kind of a hop. When she runs or swims its full bore, she is pretty darn fast and one heck of a bird dog! No ribbons for Pi, only a purple heart that inspires me to no end.
If you’d like to talk just let me know and I’ll give you a call, praying for a speedy and full recovery!
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h4everything Blanchard, OK
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| 07/28/2008 5:45 PM |
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Well I had to work today (just started a new job 3 weeks ago) but I was able to talk my Dad into taking my dog up to our regular vet for me. She thinks that he was weak from muscle cramps casued by a mineral deficiency and that the heat really brought it out. Ziggy is acting like he feels fine today. I guess we will see which one is right in the next couple of days.
Thanks for the help and thanks for the call Steve. It sure helped bring my spirits up!
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Alliesway Mid-Michigan
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Thats great new Jason, hopefully he will be at your side this fall putting the smack down on some birds!! Give him a pat on the head for me, as it sounds like he is on the right road to recovery ...
Keep your spirits up, Steve |
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Doc_E N.E. WA state
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| 07/28/2008 6:29 PM |
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Posted By h4everything on 07/28/2008 5:45 PM She thinks that he was weak from muscle cramps casued by a mineral deficiency and that the heat really brought it out.
Ziggy is acting like he feels fine today.
Jason
Good news so far --- But, a "mineral deficiency"?
What mineral? And what kind of food are you feeding?
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h4everything Blanchard, OK
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| 07/29/2008 10:38 AM |
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The vet wasn't specifoc on which mineral. I haven't had a chance to speak to her yet. He has been eating Diamond and Pedigree. He eats some of the others dog's food. I haven't seen him since sunday but just talked to my dad he he said he was bouncing off the walls he is so full of energy. She gave us alot of vitamins my Dad said to give him and told us to continue the steriod treatment.
The bloodwork sheet showed everything well within the normal ranges. It all seems real fishy.
What do you think Doc? I could probably scan and email you the bloodwork sheet tonight if you want. |
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