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Doc_E
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02/23/2006 9:13 PM	Alert
"Bad Hips" are multifactorial. Part is Genetics, part is Nutritional and part is Environmental. .

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02/23/2006 9:22 PM	Alert
Good Thread guys! Good information for folks. Thanks for sharing, and you are making my head hurt. I flunked Biology in college! Joe

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02/23/2006 9:53 PM	Alert
That's why you need to look at the Grandparents hip's as well as the parent's hips. Siblings hips from prior breedings. Whole big bunches of stuff. .

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02/24/2006 4:33 AM	Alert
I confused myself, and I totally agree that 1 pup in a 100 is too many... Hopefully one day we can get it right. and Trout I would not have Bella either if it wasn't for Twist.

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02/24/2006 7:40 AM	Alert
Doc, I understand that Bad Hips" are multifactorial. Part is Genetics, part is Nutritional and part is Environmental. However I feel it would not even be an issue without the genetics. As some of you know I’ve been around pointers for a good number of years. Been to hundreds of trials, seen thousands of dogs and discussed the pointer breed with hundreds of enthusiasts, trainers and breeders. Dysplasia never came up in the discussions and I had never even heard of dysplastic problems with pointers or english setters and never gave it a second thought when getting a pointer pup. I would bet the ratio with pointers and setters is a fraction of what is with labs, sheppards and huskies. Well turned out I learned the hard way about dyslasia with pointers. I bought my last pointer from a reputable breeder, waited over a year to get a pup and low and behold when she was around 4 bad hips showed up. I was is disbelief and totally devastated. If and when it happens to a pup you own, breed, plan to breed or sell pup with it you will know exactly what I’m talking about. Also, if you think about the percentages and the number of members in the apla there are a good number of folks out there with displastic labs.

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02/24/2006 8:18 AM	Alert
Did ya ever wonder: "Maybe the genetic fault isn't really with "hip genes", but rather a fault in the genes controlling the conversion of blood ascorbic acid into glucose"........Hmmmmmm, lots to ponder. Maybe the genetic fault is in the genes that control the biosynthesis of the glucosamine family of chemicals. Maybe a few other places for a genetic fault. The mind reals at the thought. . .

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