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Julie

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04/11/2008 5:20 AM	Alert
I should write a book about various dog mental conditions. It would be a kick to describe how some dogs operate on a daily basis. Some are food obsessed and truly operate around that activity as if it were the highlight of life. Others live only to interact with other dogs, humans aren't too big a deal. And then there are those whose mission in life is to pass on their genes. Chiefy falls there. If there isn't a bird to find or retrieve, procreation would be his thing. Skip the dinner, skip the smooching, let's party! Maybe I should change my stance on neutering.....

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04/11/2008 8:50 AM	Alert
Sounds like little Chief needs some one on one time with a girl dog older and wiser than him-and NOT in a receptive mood-to teach him some manners! A little rejection goes a long way...

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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04/11/2008 10:26 AM	Alert
Julie, What's your experience with early spaying (6 mos. or so)? Do you have a lot of client dogs that come to you spayed? If so, do you notice any ill effects? Rob

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04/11/2008 1:27 PM	Alert
What gets me is that there was NO sign of this AT ALL at the time I drop him off. In no time I am then hearing from Julie how he is a "Romeo Delux" with the several young females that were also there that were actually IN HEAT at the time. It seems to me that it could be the 1st thing he learned at GCL was sex drive. He never learned to quit once the heat cycle ended....Hmmm Either that- or there is something in the water- So just incase it is the latter -Julie-how about bringing me a couple gallons of that water to take home !

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04/11/2008 5:26 PM	Alert
If you do some searches on the (very reliable ) net, there is evidence that abounds regarding excessive long bone growth as a result of exceptionally early neutering and the ramifications that can arise from doing so. There are joint problems, osteosarcoma down the road and many other tragic health concerns. Anecdotally, after having my first male Pyrenees neutered at an early age and then having to have him put down at the young age of 6 1/2 due to osteosarcoma, I am a firm believer. I will never again have a male dog neutered until he is at least a year old. The breeder of my current Pyr wanted to send him to me at 10 weeks already neutered. My response was very simple, "I have no desire to breed him and he will be neutered, but not at 9-10 weeks. Send him to me with a Limited Registration if you have concerns." Given that she knows me well, she was very receptive to that proposal and that is what we did. One, what I consider now to be a preventable tragedy, was enough for me. I will never again have a dog neutered early. Females are a different story, and the ones that I have had that have been spayed, went to pet homes. However, I will never “fix” a dog earlier than 6-9 months of age. Dogs need those hormones in their teenage months to develop appropriately especially if they are to be used as performance animals.

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04/14/2008 6:52 PM	Alert
I'm new to this site and found this post shortly after reading a related article in the Retriever Journal about the various options for dog owners. I have an 11 month old pup that was neutered and I'm second guessing my decision to neuter him at a young age. This is my first dog (well MY first dog - wife has an ankle biter) and I followed the advise of my vet. I guess there isn't much I can do now but hopefully I don't have problems others speak about. Anyway, check out the article in the most recent Retriever Journal.

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04/14/2008 7:16 PM	Alert
Huntersjack, Welcome to the forum, You have to remember, That is how a Vet makes his or her living by druming up work! It doesnt matter to them if it is right or wrong but it is there opportunity to make money, nothing wrong with that but that what happens IMO,, Kevin

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04/14/2008 7:53 PM	Alert
Julie - now you've got my curiosity up. Do you think the Duffinator is so tall because he was neutered at 6 months? Interesting you start this the day before he comes to GCL, and more interesting that his brother, who was also neutered, is not anywhere near as big, either in height, bone size or body type.

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04/14/2008 7:58 PM	Alert
I'm not sure about the affects of neurtering......but sure happy I stuck to my guns...no way when my wife discussed this after our last born a few decades ago. You and your group of mis-fit hounds look good Mojo!

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04/15/2008 8:09 AM	Alert
"Shade Tree", I am told by a dog cohort of mine that his male, neutered young and long and lanky, was that way because of the removal of certain hormones early on. I think Hooligan can comment more knowledgeably, but that is what I have been told. I know it affects certain things, more in some dogs than others. Removal of the female hormone generating equipment doesn't make female dogs more effeminate as it often does males at an early age, but I haven't noticed that it enhanced their desire for aggressive work. It doesn't take anything away however either, at least as far as my experience. We have some very clinically knowledgeable responders on here, and that's lucky for us. My bottom line is that I just can't believe Mother Nature 'gets it wrong'. Ever.

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04/16/2008 10:35 PM	Alert
All I have is empirical data from working these guys. I have to agree with most others in that I would wait until 16 months or older. I have clients ask me what I think all the time. I basicaly tell them that they should only get their dogs neutered if it is going to be a problem for them. I have seen what appears to be an issue with drive in males that were cut at an early age. I also have seen cut males still become agressive both with and without females being in heat.I have seen them mount males and females even though the plumbing is gone The other thing I mention is that if they have paid a chunk of change for a good dog with a good pedigree they should hold of. If the dog turns out to be a good they may have the right stuff to pass on to the breed. In a few cases they may get some stud fees that pays for hunting trips, training equipment or training for their dog. There does seem to be a trend with vet recommending neutering. I suspect it is because of all the things they tend to see and deal with on a daily basis. Interestingly I have seen some differences in females after having a litter. They tend to be more social and playful with other dogs. Even other dogs they normally would not tolerate. I have also seen females that were dominant that remain that way even after a litter. My experience worth about a penny. Gary

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