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09 Sep 2008 07:38 AM  
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10 Sep 2008 01:41 PM  
Hey Vic,


What can you tell me about this class you went to? Is is something that the CDOW puts on regularly? I've been out twice so far and only have two grouse to show for it!


It'd be nice if I new what I was doing. I'm also worried about disturbing bow hunters in the area...


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10 Sep 2008 04:44 PM  
Hi Rob.  I hear your frustration.  I was the same when I started Blue Grouse hunting.  I didn't even know what one looked like before I started so I bought that bird ID book).  Still had know idea what I was in store for.  You should be happy you got two.  These pics come with a lot of field experience behind them.

So, I am sharing what I know with you and others if they wish to read.  Sorry it's so long, been picking at it for a few hours.

Yes, they usually offer the class which covers ptarmigan, sharptails, and sage grouse all in one session.
They just had one here in the Denver Area last week I think.

Doesn't really tell you were to find them, only their habits throughout the season.
The rest I learned from walking a lot, like you.

The fact you stated you "only" got two, I assume you got them one at a time.

Tells me you are going after the males, which are typically higher than the family broods early season.
Nothing wrong with that.  I just prefer to shoot more than 1 at a time

The broods are now hanging between 8000 to 9000 feet.  Last weekend I jumped a family of about 8, harvested 4.
This goes against my 2/3's rule, but I was wrong.  I looked into it further and you only need to leave really two (assuming 1 male, one female).
But leaving a few more is a good idea IMO due to fallout and weather kill and such.  Weekend before we flushed 1 brood of 10 and 1 brood of 7.

Elevation counts but so does the terrain in the general area.

At this time of year (soon to change in the next weekend or two) I hunt in the Aspen/Dark timber interface areas.
I tend to hunt gully areas with trees up the middle, but open space (like sage brush) on the sides.
I start at the bottom and walk to the top  if I can, but have gone from top to bottom.  I mean we're usually talking 1200+ vertical feet, off trail.  Over fallen logs, quicksand, through dense brush.  Last weekend it took me 5 minutes to make a step across a stream so much stuff in the way, (mainly because I didn't want to drop my gun in the muck).
Plus zigzagging while looking for water/terrain, well you get the picture.  

I look for a trickle of water and follow it.  Then I run into nice green grass, berries, and grasshoppers everywhere.
I walk in that micro-climate area(s) and adjacent areas similar looking.
I also look for drop offs with grass and/or bushy trees for them to hide under.
Islands of Aspen in a nice field next to vegetation/bugs are good.

I usually start hunting them around 9 AM.  They should have fed and then walked back up to the cover (that was in the course).
I look for them in the shadows next to open spaces so they can easily fly down hill when threatened.

Now, i can get a feeling of "ooo, this looks like a good spot".  Then I watch my doggie get birdie.  They tend to move around a lot, so if the dog isn't birdie after a while I go somewhere else.  I mean the dogs get birdie for 10 minutes sometimes before you find them.

But, there is a lot of walking, not a lot of shooting. I use my 6 pound SxS which helps in the travels.  I also carry plenty of water for the dogs and a hydro pack for myself.  Can't count on running into water but usually do.  Dogs love to wallow on the water and/or mud.  Plus a GPS and compass, standard back-country tools.

If I were you, since you live somewhat in the area, I would hunt the Uncompahgre Plateau.
I've heard good things about it.  Never hunted it because it's a 6 hour drive for me whereas I can drive 2-3 hours and find them.
I would also be hunting Chukar if I were you.

Later in the year I will move up to 10,000 to 11,000 feet (like end of September).
Hunt strictly dark timber but areas that have been logged (again open areas plus fire roads).
No bugs that time of year but plenty of berries, so the trickle of water still does apply.  They also eat green broad leave plants.  Can learn a lot when you clean them and look for what they have been munching on.

As an aside, they tend to hold real tight.  So, a good pointing lab will point them.

As for bow hunters, I find we actually work well together.  I'm not out there until most of them have stopped hunting, and I stop well before sunset.
They are also usually a good source of where they have seen some grouse (although I wouldn't walk 5 miles to get there, I mean they there have to be closer Broods).  We actually help bow hunters during the day.  I scared up these two big mule buck's last hunt, that was pretty.  They were around 50 yards away when they jumped.  The bucks wouldn't have moved if I didn't come along.  So, some bow hunter now has a chance in the middle of the day.

Well, hope this helps.  Post some pics of all those birds you get. 

Want to talk, give me a call.


To summarize:

The scenery, the crisp air, the smells, the dog work and the thrill of the hunt make all this work inconsequential. 

Eating your lunch with your dog on the top of a small mountain (like 10,000 feet above sea level) looking at snow covered ranges 50 miles away and observing the curvature of the earth through clouds over the horizon is a religious experience (especially since you just climbed up the darn thing).  And of course finding those birds just tops it off.
Really, blue grouse hunting is great otherwise I would not do it. 

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10 Sep 2008 07:09 PM  
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How big are your Blues?
Our Ruffs = 14 oz to 18 oz
Our Franklins = 18 oz to 26 oz
Our Blues = 2+ lbs to over 4 lbs

. And who named them "Dusty"? Is there really a difference between Dustys and Blues? Here in WA, the only people who might prefer to call them "Dusty", would be gay guys from CA that are living in Seattle (and wouldn't shoot them anyhow). .


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10 Sep 2008 07:52 PM  
Good question Doc.  Where did you get those weights?  I mean empirically or from a source?

I never really weighed them.  But there is quite a wide range.
The bigger males are up there are close to what you state, but I have never shot a 4 pounder.

I like the the smaller ones (tastier) which are in your rough grouse to Franklin range.  But, like I said, I never weighed them, so the best source would be a web search.

Colorado DOW renamed them.  No difference between Blues and Dusty's.
Name change was news to me, they never asked me  (1 out or 6,000 grouse hunters  in CO which is actually quite small compared to the 60,000 pheasant hunters).

The gay guys living here in CO do not seem to be entrenched in the hunting community, so i doubt they had influence over this, but ya never know!

You know what, I am going to send DOW CO an email and ask them how this happened and what it would take to rename it the "Blue Grouse"!

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11 Sep 2008 05:45 AM  
Posted By VicR on 09/10/2008 7:52 PM
Good question Doc.  Where did you get those weights?  I mean empirically or from a source?

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I used to weigh them kinda frequently, but haven't for quite awhile now. As a side note, I wrote an article for the APLA Newsletter (??maybe 2003??) titled "Hunting Grouse with a Pointing Labrador". I also wrote the introduction to the Grouse Chapter in a book called "Successful Small Game Hunting", by M.D. Johnson.................. I was actually able to fool people into thinking I actually knew something about it . .


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11 Sep 2008 06:41 AM  
Wow Vic! That's some great information there. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I will continue to learn first hand and through trial and error!

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11 Sep 2008 09:06 AM  
You're welcome Rob.


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11 Sep 2008 09:08 AM  
Posted By Doc_E on 09/11/2008 5:45 AM
I used to weigh them kinda frequently, but haven't for quite awhile now. As a side note, I wrote an article for the APLA Newsletter (??maybe 2003??) titled "Hunting Grouse with a Pointing Labrador". I also wrote the introduction to the Grouse Chapter in a book called "Successful Small Game Hunting", by M.D. Johnson.................. I was actually able to fool people into thinking I actually knew something about it . .

Wow, Doc, you're an expert!  What did I get wrong?


Can you re-post the article here?



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12 Sep 2008 06:46 AM  
I think I have a copy stuck away somewhere -- I'll see if I can find it one of these days.

And, YES, I'm an expert - - - - - - - - - - -
Definition of expert
An Ex is a "has been"
and a spurt is a "drip under pressure"


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12 Sep 2008 07:35 AM  
Doc, It was a good article especially for an ex spurt, I know I enjoyed it.

The CO DOW also tells you to know your trees. Blue Grouse like the fir and spruce forests, not the ponderosas and lodgepoles.


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12 Sep 2008 07:53 AM  
And who named them "Dusty"? Is there really a difference between Dustys and Blues?


Its actually pronounced Dusky, not Dusty. It doesnt sound quite as gay that way..

Thanks for the info Vic. Our grouse season opens this weekend. Hopefully my not so secret, secret spot produces.


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12 Sep 2008 08:29 AM  
I don't even know the name of the bird I am hunting.
DOH!


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12 Sep 2008 12:28 PM  
Here is the nerdy version on why the name change on the Grouse.

The Dusky Grouse and Sooty Grouse were reguarded as one species aka Blue Grouse.

The genus Dendragapus, contains two closely related species of grouse that have often been treated as a single species. The Dusky Grouse Dendragapus obscurus and the Sooty Grouse Dendragapus fuliginosus.

The Sooty Grouse is found in the Pacific Coast Ranges and Sierra Nevada, and the Dusky Grouse in the Rocky Mountains. These two species were originally regarded as separate species, but were considered the same for much of the twentieth century.
 
In 2006 the American Ornithologists' Union re-split them, following DNA-based work. The results proved them as separate species. Also separate based on morphology, behavior and vocalizations.

Adults have a long square tail, gray at the end (lighter in the Sooty Grouse). Adult males are mainly dark (especially Sooty Grouse) with a yellow (Sooty Grouse) or purplish (Dusky Grouse) throat air sac surrounded by white, and a yellow (Sooty Grouse) or yellow to red (Dusky Grouse) wattle over the eye during display. Adult females of both species are mottled brown with dark brown and white marks on the under parts.



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12 Sep 2008 08:16 PM  
Looks all huntable, shootable and tastey to me!

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12 Sep 2008 08:21 PM  
Looks all huntable, shootable and tastey to me!


It all tastes like chicken although, I have never heard of a Franklin Grouse.. That one, I had to look up


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14 Sep 2008 09:16 PM  
Well, I tried my hand at some Sage grouse this weekend.
It opened on Saturday and lasts only 1 week.

Used to be endangered in CO, and in many areas still are, but in the Walden area they are abundant (yet to be proven by me!).
Didn't see a one, even though I had a hot tip (thanks Randy).
I think I just started too late in the day. 
Need to be there 1st thing for prime spots.

I talked to a game Warden, he lined me up with what to look for and terrain.  Checked out those spots, think they have already been hunted twice by the time I got there. 

I saw quite a few vehicles scanning the area.  Tried and true sage grouse hunters I assume.

The method is actually very similar in theory to DUSKY Grouse.
Young chicks need protein, insects provide it, where do you find it, by water and green grasses, and of course Sage.  Trick is to find that in a semi-desert. 

Weather was a high of low 60's, so quite tolerable. 

But, I did take the 5 month old Kutya out there.
Three and a half hour drive to get to Walden, but no regrets here.

And of course, the scenery.  Pictures do it no justice. 


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21 Sep 2008 07:08 PM  
Well, once again tried my hand at some blue grouse this weekend.
Getting tougher.  All the broods are now broken up so you only have singles.  They are also up higher.  Much tougher hunting conditions.  Heard 5 of them (they flushed in thick trees, and well, my dogs were not as pointy as they should have been). 

Youngest one (6 month old Kutya) did well though.  Got one with him.  Walked 6 miles according to GPS.  Going to try my hand another time or two then it's on to ND for some pheasant!

Here's a pic.

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05 Oct 2008 12:47 PM  

Well, went out yesterday.  Got 1 of them.  Walked around 5 miles through some very pretty country.  All birds are bigger now, leaves were changing, weather front was coming through....

Hit it first shot.  But not a kill.    Second shot clean miss.  My buddy Tom and I tried to get the bird to fly out of the tree for like 5 minutes.  I mean we could have shot it out of the tree but where’s the sport in that? 

 

Off and on, one guy was at the ready, the other moved in to throw a stick at a closer distance.    Finally we had to make our way up to the tree to throw a stick and it took off.  Was around 30 yards up in the tree, we were on steep terrain (hanging onto scrub trees), and in thick cover. 

 

Well, I fired again, but it fell like a wounded pigeon to the ground (i.e. my excuse for missing again).

 

Unbeknownst to me it ran under a log and Hunter quickly found it about 20 feet from where it landed.  Good thing, that was the only one we saw that day.


This is the last Blue Grouse hunt of the season for me.  Was a good season.  Taking a weekend off, then going up to ND to pheasant hunt for a week (Lord willing).

Been nice sharing with you's.

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06 Oct 2008 08:53 AM  
Vic,

I really enjoyed the blue Grouse season through your eyes. I have not hunted for blues. Frankly climbing up and down the "hills" here in CO sort of scares me, even though I hung from my finger tips from the walls of Yosemite valley in my youth. I guess more from a conditioning point of view.

Thanks again for sharing the pic's and the stories. and good luck in ND.
I'am hoping to set up a trip to ND again this year---what are you doing with your second week in ND?


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