2Blackdogs!
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| 22 Mar 2010 02:16 PM |
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Noticed that the 1 spring test out west was cancelled. What happened?? |
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bwf7917
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SAMS CREEK KENNELS
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| 22 Mar 2010 03:56 PM |
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GOOD QUESTION???? |
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| WHERE THE "POINT" COUNTS |
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Top Dog Kennels
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South Dakota
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| 22 Mar 2010 04:05 PM |
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tater
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| 22 Mar 2010 09:53 PM |
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It was disappointing to read that the Washington test was canceled. I'm new to the forum as I have been reading for a couple of months now and this is my first post. I have a five year old P/L and just recently purchased a P/L pup out of GMPR bitch and an AFC stud with the intent to participate in AKC and APLA tests. Given that I reside in Califorina the Washington test was a lengthy trip but doable. Now with the Washington cancelation, Colorado is the closest test so I may be rethinking the APLA tests if this is going to be a permanent thing.
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bsmiley
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Fishers Indiana
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| 23 Mar 2010 05:46 AM |
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I can only tell you that it was not based on anything that was brought to the board for a decsion. My assumption then was that it had some local reason. Perhaps the HT chair for that test or the Hunt Test Committee could offer some explanation of pulling the Spring test there.
I appologize for its cancellation. We make every attempt to place tests so that we cover as much geographic area as possible.
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micahd
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Boise Idaho
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| 26 Mar 2010 01:25 AM |
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OHHH! Thats really disappointing. My girl has 4 week old pups and We are melting off snow. There is now way I can be ready for the Colorado test in time. Let alone have her in shape for it. I was really counting on the Washington test. Anybody know why its been cancelled?? |
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tigerliberty
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| 26 Mar 2010 04:04 AM |
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The rumor is the chair of the test simply does not believe he has the dogs to support the test. It was a local decision. |
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bsmiley
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Fishers Indiana
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| 26 Mar 2010 05:53 AM |
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As I understand, the Washington test Chair contacted the hunt test committee chair, indicated they had a change in their estimate on dog count and the new estimated dog numbers would not support a test so it appears to have been a local decision as this has not been discussed at an APLA board level.
The Washington test is always an issue from an expense standpoint because of the cost of getting judges out there and has been for some time. A local judge pool would make a huge difference for the logistics of that test. Allowances have been made in judging guidelines to make it possible to have a test out there such as having one set of judges on all stakes, sometimes on a double. New York/PA area has had some people step up and apprentice which has made the logistics of smaller tests work out better there. Michigan is an emerging area and we are averaging a new apprentice judge each season. Again, this was not the reason WA was cancelled this year but it is an issue needing member involvement locally if we are to be able to consistently offer tests in that area on an on-going basis and I think it is of value for our membership in the area to understand that issue.
Just to head off any misconceptions, the APLA is not trying to MAKE money on tests. We are trying, as a non-proffit to cover operating costs of the tests and keep some infrastructure to the organization (web site, equipment). A small loss on a test here or there can be made up by a few larger tests and we break even, however we can not expose the organization to large $$ losses on tests.
Thought people deserved an explanation and excuse me if I have gone beyond the original question. Perhaps if I am off-base on anything, a representative from the Hunt test committee could clarify.
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Doc_E
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| 26 Mar 2010 06:07 AM |
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I know a few people who did not enter because there is no decent cover this time of year.
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Boeinguy
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Boise, ID
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| 26 Mar 2010 09:47 AM |
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This is very disappointing as it takes the entire West Coast and PNW out of the loop. Even a location like Spokane leaves So Cal closer to CO than WA. Perhaps a more central location in the Northwest would attract more entries...such as Reno or Southern OR? In this economy how many folks are going to travel the 1300 miles from Seattle to Denver, the 1100 from LA, 850 from Boise, at $3.00/Gal?...plus hotels and food and time off from work?
With the most eastern test being in IL and furthest West in CO, a lot of the country is being set aside. It leaves the appearance that this is a "Midwest Club".
Just an observation.
Greg
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bsmiley
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Fishers Indiana
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| 26 Mar 2010 10:35 AM |
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Greg, I understand your frustration but we need to look at logistics. First of all, although IL is the furthest east for Spring, there are regular tests held in the NY/eastern PA area. Also, I belive the organization has gone to great ends to regularly accomodate tests in Washington in the past. You reference, "in this economy" and that relates to the APLA's expense of holding the test also. Grounds fees, volunteer judges time and travel expense, birds, equipment, it is a prety big undertaking to do a test and has a fair amount of expense tied to it.
The APLA, from a test standpoint, is pretty much a "grass-roots" effort. Local supporters arrange for tests and put them on - this is not arranged by the national APLA - they just approve where the tests will be and assure they meet standards. Tests regularly occur in CO, IL, MI, Iowa/SD/MN, KS/MO mostly due to local people (now forming into local PL clubs) arranging and operating the tests.
It is true that there is more of a concentration of memberhsip in the midwest, more of a concentration of people running PL's, and more people willing to put in the time and effort to host a test. That does not mean that it is a midwest club any more that it could be said to be a "Kansas Club" or "Colorado club" etc... I, personally, would love to see more tests and in new areas. There are PL owners in the southeast who would love to see a test there, and as you mention, in California and other areas of the big west. Problem is that there needs to be enough of a base of interest in the area to support a test and someone locally willing to put it on.
I understand your observation, appreciate your frustration. I hope this helps you better understand how the tests operate.
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bwf7917
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| 26 Mar 2010 12:53 PM |
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Greg,
Personally we are so committed to the APLA. We live on the coast of Oregon. We have made the trip to the mid west several times(5). It's allot of work with 8 to 10 dogs, four kids, travel trailer and on the road for 3 weeks. 6 thousand miles round trip. Usually we end up in Kansas or Missouri. The test is well worth going to because of the people. Every one is great. Lots of dogs, great cover the list goes on and on. Having said all that Bruce makes some great "points" in his post. Some of which I need to make a better effort at. I as well as others need to become a judge. Having said that, my wife would not want me to judge the dogs she would be running. For example last fall she ran 9 dogs at the one test in Wa. If I failed a dog she might put me in the kennel with the dog. But what we could do is take a look at what the Rocky Mountain Pointing Lab Club is doing at try to put together a Club. If their is enough Intrest it could help us all, as well as the APLA to know where it would best serve it's members to a hold test.
If your up to it give us a call or start a new thread and let's see where we can take it. |
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bwright27
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Harrison, Michigan
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| 26 Mar 2010 02:50 PM |
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I believe that we need to encourage club development to help you folks out west as well as those in other parts of the country. I have started a new thread in the Members Only section of the forum (I think that this is a greater APLA issue) entitled "Help from the APLA in finding or creating local clubs". Click on the forums tab on the toolbar above to access it if you are interested. |
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onetufk9
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Washington State
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| 26 Mar 2010 10:21 PM |
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Bruce in regards to your post It has not always been an issue of making money with the WA test I personally have hosted and Hunt chaired four tests in this state Three of them made money not lost it. It can be done with alittle of work. Also the post of not enough dogs I find hard to believe. You know as well as I do that it is to early to say how many people would have entered. I know of 10 dogs alone that were going to be at the test not including the Hunt chairs dogs. What needs to happen is to get people in WA and Oregon certifed as judges and this will cut the cost of the judges to be imported from out of state. We have handlers and owners that are qualified.So what needs to happen is the APLA needs to host and encourage and help dog handlers to become judges. I have expressed interest several times as well as others with no repsonse from the APLA. The interest and number of Pointing labs in the Pacific Norhtwest has grown and could be a great venue to grow but it will take some help and assistance from the board and the organization to make it work.
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bsmiley
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Fishers Indiana
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| 27 Mar 2010 07:09 AM |
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Sean, I know you have been very involved, and there are several active people out there. I am communicating the response I was given on the test cancellation, again if there is something that I am not getting accurate, then I would welcome the test chair or hunt test committe with first hand understanding to elaborate. I did not mean to imply that all those tests had lost money, I was trying to pass on that it is harder for WA to break even with the expense of flying in judes. It causes a situation where we have the same judges on all stakes for a double which is an exception to normal APLA judging guidelines for various reasons. It also causes logistical problems given at most tests we often do not really know the dog numbers until right before the test, then it is even harder to get additional judges that have the time off work (with last minute airfares).
Just to be clear I will say again that although we are discussing the judging issue, this was, to my knowledge not a factor in the cancellation of the WA test for this spring.
Again, personally, I am very positive about extending where we can hold test to accomodate membership. You are right, there is a lot of interest in the PacNW, and past tests have shown that. We all should be doing what we can to support that. There are some logistical issues though (like judging) that keep coming up and I don't see them openly discussed on here so I thought it was timely to bring it up. Even having 2-3 CP judges in the area makes a huge difference for a test. I know everyone on the board is supportive of that and if there are qualified individuals wiling to apprentice, I would be happy to propose them through the Judges committee, please let me know. |
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Cody, 2XGMPR, MH (BAMF,RIP, Friend)
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Boeinguy
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Boise, ID
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| 29 Mar 2010 04:26 PM |
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Thank you for the responses. And yes, I was showing my frustration with my real only chance to get my dog certified. My occupation does not allow me the time to travel for an event in the midwest. I am quite active with my local retriever club, and have even seated my wife on the board to act in my behalf during my high percentage of absence.
A local breeder in our area donates a One Year membership to our local club with the sale of each dog. We have had a good amount of participation with these owners, as they get involved at such an early stage in the dog's life, while the motivation level is still high. The thought occurred to me to check the "Breeders" tab on this website. I don't know the requirements to be listed on this sight, but there are 10 or 11 kennels listed in the PNW (N. CA, OR, WA, & ID). I would think this many breeders would produce a significant amount of pups on an annual basis. Perhaps the APLA could promote membership and interest in the region through a similar program? This is our target demographic is it not?
Thoughts?
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Doc_E
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N.E. WA state
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| 29 Mar 2010 05:53 PM |
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Who is the person/persons that cancelled the Test --- Why aren't they posting ?
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Jere
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| 29 Mar 2010 07:48 PM |
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Good chance for the NWerners to check out the "other" V-dogs and how they do it.
VHDF.org
They hold tests in PNW and elsewhere and will set up tests on demand, I've recently been told.
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H2ofowler
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| 30 Mar 2010 03:34 PM |
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I'm sure we could come up with enough dogs for a test!
I also own Rock Lake Rod & Gun Club 45 min South of Spokane,.
I would be willing to host a Fall test and have a Judge's siminar on Friday like we did in CO.
We would have enough time to set it up right, I should have irrigated cover, supply the birds and the date....I would like help w/ Ht sec/ or any other volunteers... We have 292 acres just enrolled as a preserve, with 1-2 ponds plus several Splash water ponds as well... a weekend before duck season
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hooligan
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| 30 Mar 2010 04:14 PM |
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That sounds like a great offer, H2ofowler. I am running HRC tests in August and already have trips booked in Manitoba and Alaska for September, so I won't be able to do a fall test-but if you do a Spring test in 2011, I will be happy to volunteer as HT secretary, or whatever else you might need-and I'll run my dog(s), too.
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