northstar
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| 06 Feb 2010 11:34 AM |
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I have a litter of pups on the ground and one of them has a white spot on its chest. I am wondering if this has any meaning or if it is no big deal? I have had one before also, same female. Is this a normal thing? |
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Doc_E
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| 06 Feb 2010 12:28 PM |
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No big deal. Even in AKC Bench Shows, a small white "star" on the chest is not desired, but is allowable.
Back in the "old days", a dog with a small white chest patch was considered to be the smartest.
The gene that produces this probably came from one of the dogs in the Lab's ancestry (the St. John's Water Dog)
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Doc_E
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| 06 Feb 2010 01:04 PM |
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The (now extinct) St. John's Water Dog :  . |
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Jere
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| 06 Feb 2010 07:01 PM |
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It isn't any big deal but may well not be genetic.
See:
http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/pathway.html
(First paragraph after the first picture)
Isn't publication of that picture protected by copyright, Doc? I know you didn't take it!
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Doc_E
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| 06 Feb 2010 07:29 PM |
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Posted By Jere on 06 Feb 2010 07:01 PM
Isn't publication of that picture protected by copyright, Doc? I know you didn't take it!
Jere
Nope. And even though it may have been (years ago) it has long since expired.
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northstar
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| 07 Feb 2010 08:37 AM |
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Has anybody else here had that happen? I am interested in finding out! I never here of it! I find it hard to beleive that I am the only one having this happen.
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hooligan
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| 07 Feb 2010 09:15 AM |
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Scout has a small white spot on her chest. Churchill has a black spot on the back of his thigh. I think the black spot would keep Churchill from competing in the conformation ring-but he wouldn't do well there anyway unless he gained lots of weight. White chest spots are a throwback-lots of dogs have them. There are lots of dogs with "bolo" spots, too, passed down from some long ago stud-they are white spots on the back of the ankles or by the feet. My first dog Wyatt had those. It's cosmetic and doesn't matter at all. Don't worry about it. |
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scott olson
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| 07 Feb 2010 08:13 PM |
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AKC actually has a tolerable measurement of white on the chest. |
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Jere
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| 07 Feb 2010 09:14 PM |
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Posted By northstar on 07 Feb 2010 08:37 AM
Has anybody else here had that happen? I am interested in finding out! I never here of it! I find it hard to beleive that I am the only one having this happen.
Thanks, Steve Steve, My Tucker has a small white spot on his chest. I don't remember about his four brothers but have video that might answer the question. Storm has one too. One of my daughter's two dogs has one, I'm not sure about the other. It really isn't all that uncommon. Don't worry anymore about it. Jere |
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| 07 Feb 2010 09:32 PM |
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Posted By northstar on 06 Feb 2010 11:34 AM
I have a litter of pups on the ground and one of them has a white spot on its chest. I am wondering if this has any meaning or if it is no big deal? I have had one before also, same female. Is this a normal thing?
QUESTION # 1,,,,NO BIG DEAL
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Jere
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| 07 Feb 2010 09:58 PM |
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Doc, You're blowing smoke!
The picture was taken in Newfoundland by Richard Wolters and published in his "The Labrador Retriever" in 1981. He died in 1993. The copyright then has not expired (valid 70 years after authors death) and the publisher has rights in addition to those of Mr. Wolters estate.
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DocFritz
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| 07 Feb 2010 10:09 PM |
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A pretty good NAHRA dog that points some has white hair between the pads of her feet. Her name "chrome" comes from them....
The owner looked into it and it is from a diluter gene or something like that and is pretty common....
She was just bred and the pups are here, I meant to ask if any of the pups have white feet but haven't |
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Doc_E
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| 08 Feb 2010 08:09 AM |
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Posted By Jere on 07 Feb 2010 09:58 PM
Doc, You're blowing smoke!
The picture was taken in Newfoundland by Richard Wolters and published in his "The Labrador Retriever" in 1981. He died in 1993. The copyright then has not expired (valid 70 years after authors death) and the publisher has rights in addition to those of Mr. Wolters estate.
Jere
The picture was published in RAW's book, but he did not take the picture nor did he or the publisher own the copyright.
How about this one taken in 1885..........
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northstar
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| 08 Feb 2010 04:58 PM |
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The same one has a little white between its paw pads! Weird!! |
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keskam
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| 08 Feb 2010 08:14 PM |
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Posted By Doc_E on 08 Feb 2010 08:09 AM
Posted By Jere on 07 Feb 2010 09:58 PM
Doc, You're blowing smoke!
The picture was taken in Newfoundland by Richard Wolters and published in his "The Labrador Retriever" in 1981. He died in 1993. The copyright then has not expired (valid 70 years after authors death) and the publisher has rights in addition to those of Mr. Wolters estate.
Jere
The picture was published in RAW's book, but he did not take the picture nor did he or the publisher own the copyright.
How about this one taken in 1885..........
So would you say that if you have a dog with white spots on its chest or maybe a partial white paw it could have more of the St Johns Waterdog in them?
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DocFritz
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| 08 Feb 2010 08:29 PM |
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Not necessarily more of that dog, but that trait of that breed has been passed through to your dog. Like if one out of the great great grandparents of a black dog is yellow, the rest are all black, and nonyellow factored. If your dog has the yellow gene, it does not carry "more" of that g-g-grandparent than the others, but THAT GENE comes from that dog. |
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Jere
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| 08 Feb 2010 08:45 PM |
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Posted By Doc_E on 08 Feb 2010 08:09 AM
Posted By Jere on 07 Feb 2010 09:58 PM
Doc, You're blowing smoke!
The picture was taken in Newfoundland by Richard Wolters and published in his "The Labrador Retriever" in 1981. He died in 1993. The copyright then has not expired (valid 70 years after authors death) and the publisher has rights in addition to those of Mr. Wolters estate.
Jere
The picture was published in RAW's book, but he did not take the picture nor did he or the publisher own the copyright.
How about this one taken in 1885..........
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The credits list in the books attributes the first photo and others on the same page to RAW. I'll email or mail the publisher for clarification. Are you sure of the date of that second photo - RAW reports the dog pictured was born about 1856 with the picture being taken in 1867. Jere |
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Doc_E
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| 09 Feb 2010 07:38 AM |
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Posted By Jere on 08 Feb 2010 08:45 PM
I'll email or mail the publisher for clarification.
Jere
If you really think it's that important, feel free. 
Why would you even care? Particularly since there are nearly 3 dozen websites with the same pictures 
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Jere
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| 09 Feb 2010 03:09 PM |
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Doc, Clearly you don't understand.
I'm sort of "touchy" on the issue of the sanctity of intellectual property.
If those three dozen sites, now including this one, are using someone's property without permission and appropriate credit, may they get their just rewards.
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rugerred
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| 09 Feb 2010 04:57 PM |
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I have had a pure black retriever that developed a white patch on the chest as it got older. The AKC lets it slide. I have a 1/2 Kur and 1/2 Choclate dog (my sons first) and you would not believe how much it looks like the St. Johns. Even the wife was suprised at the resemblance. |
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